Noble Park Safety Concerns

Haha fuck me, there's more life in this thread than there's been on this whole forum in months. And you say I do nothing to contribute.

It's the internet josh, if I wanna say I think something waste of time and money on a forum thats my choice. I don't need to meet the dudes with the trowels or the guys who lobbied for shit to have that opinion. Check the history, I been lobbying against transition hell hole park designs on here for over a decade. Don't care how many vert legends you sign up to design em, they just breed bmx riders and turn some young kids off taking up skateboarding entirely (or parents from letting them).

Glad to hear the street section is good, nice for a change, it's not how it usually pans out. And sorry you got so butthurt, I hope your not as much of a serious rage merchant in real life as you come across on here.

Now back to the hate.

P.s. Word up singha!

Nice decade of lobbying. Anything actually achieved?

Not a rage merchant. Just calling you out for being a bitter, negative dick. Always trying for hero moments at the expense of others. I rarely fire up son, you should know that.

Enjoy your imminent transition into the "I used to skate" camp.

Anyhow, I reckon I have an idea as to how we can resolve this petty feud. You post up a photo in this thread of you doing a transition manoeuvre, and I will do the same of a street move. Nothing special. We can congratulate each other and move on. Bonus points awarded for a selfie at some kind of skatepark consultation.

I just want to put on the record too that i have had no involvement with this park whatsoever. I don't want it to appear as such, or that was why i was defending the design and people involved.

Amusingly one of the very few pieces of media pics out there is of me skating a bowl but good luck finding it. I spent most weekends skating a capsule bowl local as a kid, I grew up in the era with a giant home made quarter or half pipe at the end of every suburban coulder sac / in ppls backyards annoying neighbours. Young kids lining up to do kick turn after kick turn, rock n rolls and one or two legends who could bust a few grabs one foot above the coping. Most those guys moved to proper vert skating while the rest gave up skating completely once they realised how limited they were and moved on to shit like music and drugs.

I get the 'dream' you old guys are chasing, but i don't agree with ramming it down the next generations throat, and even more so I don't get why they have to be so damn big!

Some of these park bowls lately just seem like they are trying to win tallest deep end competitions at the expense of alienating more and more kids. Young dudes don't have the body mass to get serious air on those giant bowl corners from carving, and most the old dudes from my era seem to struggle to get a foot above the coping too. Add to that the joke afterthought that is usually the street section and it starts to annoy me. Go look at empire skate park for example, on any normal weekend the pissy little 'street' section is crammed full of kids having fun and the bowl is one giant vacant chasm that you consider yourself lucky of u see someone skate other than using the shallow end as a mini.

Might be throwing fuel on the fire but seeing as the tranny vs street debate is in full swing here what are peoples thoughts about the 14ft vert ramp going in at Pizzy?
My insta and FB says the GC skaters are staunchly against it and I have to say I agree with them.

I get what you guys are saying. I know getting a solid street section in an Australian park is a struggle, and has been for a while. I always push for it as much as the next guy, Brunswick has been very frustrating in that regard. I hit the city by myself of a nighttime fairly regularly, you naturally spend more time skating parks and tranny as you push 40.

I do reckon you are out of touch though. St Kilda has spawned a ripping bunch of groms. And the old blokes, a lot of them slay it. There is a genuine demand for what is getting built. You have to respect a 59 year old designing such an on point street section.

The big bowl at noble is out of my comfort zone, like skatey180 I'll be lurking the snake run mostly. I'm keen to push my mediocre skateboarding and pad up for the challenge.

You won't ever achieve anything by having a whine on the forums. Lobbying on here is pretty futile. It's attending hours of boring as fuck meetings, diplomatically countering stakeholders that suck (parkour, scoot, movie screens, stages and graffiti areas coming out of funds). It's making relationships with people in council, designers, people with different views and parents. It's emails and social media and not without bullshit personal attacks. It takes years and years. That's why people may get their back up with people slinging mud or not taking consideration of how their words are said. You are criticising individuals efforts in a poorly chosen way, the anonymous nature of the internet doesn't change that. Remember that next time you get your fairly stale "hate" going for your own amusement.

This site is pretty much on it's last legs. The last thing we need is the dozen or so people using it just for trading insults.

Simon Hastwell, blasting the bowl. Couple of pics to lighten the mood.

Have a good one.

Ha 50 not 59, sorry Johnny. Simon again, it was great to get a session in before it opened and capture some of the ripping.

One of the blokes on the tools, Shoota

This was the other photo of Simon I wanted to post. So clean

New gen, Zac. These kids are getting so much better every time you see them.

I'll leave it here with Seany. It doesn't matter what you got, you get one of these at a bowl like this and you are stoked. Best feeling ever.

I've been involved with Woden and Belco and while there were some people whinging it was mostly pleasant and constructive throughout the whole process for both projects. Canberrans are fuckin rad though so it's no surprise.

On the Pizzey thing, it was the first I heard of it last night via Cuzza's insta. He made the point that the decision was made a long time ago or something so I take that as people missed the opportunity to lobby for street stuff. If that's the case than the GC skate community only have themselves to blame. If they tried for street stuff and got a 14ft vert ramp instead I'd be bummed too. Seems like it's too late now anyway and people should invest in some pads. I heard they might become exempt from the GST soon so it's probably good timing!.. (yep, that was a political joke)

Josh - I know you've dealt with allot of drama with the Brunswick park (where you did some great work) but this is nothing new so try not to take it to heart. People have been bagging skate park designs forever...

Will agree to disagree Josh, i don't get why sticking a slick five-o grind is any more fun 15 foot from the ground than it is 5 foot from the ground but maybe thats just me.

And Krim, whats the back story on the vert at pizzy? Why they upset?

ahh hadn't seen the Krim post.. Yeh that sux if they wanted street and got vert. My beef is with the ppl who put the vert plans forward in the first place, it shouldn't be a case of having to object to crap park design ideas to prevent them from happening otherwise suffer the consequences. No denying old dudes have more motivation and get shit done but that doesn't give them the right to build parks that are designed for them and their 40+ year old tranny-dog mates with bung knees who have no interest in jumping down stairs anymore. I might be imagining shit, but its felt like for years that these kinds of parks are a secret conspiracy to try and put transition skating back in the limelight so these guys can be kings of the scene again like back in the day when tranny skating was cool.

Had a quick look at some of the comments on Cuzza's insta post and apparently the ramp is being privately funded! The GC council is only giving up the land, no money. If this is the case than let the whoever is paying for it build whatever they want.... Good on them.

Someone here knows more than me though...? I'm just going off instagram comments.

What gives me the shits is that a lot of people don't actually get skateboarding anymore. Who gives a fuck whether your skating a gutter or a 14 foot vert ramp, skating a built park or bombing a hill in the street. Go skateboarding and fucking enjoy it.

Seems to be a lot of whinging little bitches these days that try to box themselves into a (I only skate street / vert category). Isn't the whole point of skateboarding not to create limitations? Skateboarding used to be a lot less about what others could do for you and a whole lot more about what you could do for yourself.

^ I kind of think the whole street vs vert was more of a 90s/early 00s thing that we are seeing the tail end of. A lot has changed over the last 5 or so years, mainly due to the decline in street spots

^^^This.

The street vs tranny thing is such a shitty 90's leftover, from arguably the bitchiest era of skateboarding. Totally irrelevant in today's skateboarding where people skate everything. Same with the "old guys skate tranny kids skate street" Fuck that, skaters today skate diverse terrain. If you are out and about you see that. It's disrespecting the ATV older dudes and new gen. It just shows you are out of touch.

The main point is when crew work together and are positive things get achieved and done well. Belco and the new tassie park are prime examples. They are a testament to strong community.

Having a whinge on a forum after all the decisions have been made and all the consultations have come and gone...well you didn't get off your arse so pipe down. Laziness gets what it deserves.

I'm stoked on Noble, it's refreshing. I was so disillusioned with Australian park design I've begun an architecture degree. Once I receive my mini thesis back on the legalities of reclaiming urban spaces I'll submit it as a resource.

Josh, I mostly agree with what you're saying but in my experience there is a hell of a lot of street bashing that comes from the older 80's generation of vert has-beens. Not all but many will take any opportunity to talk about how much tougher vert/bowl is or how everyone should just man up and skate vert or, in a design consultation, imply to council people that the bowl is the "world class" "advanced" section that touring pro's will come to skate whereas the street is for the kids and beginners. sound familiar???
I am generalising here but not without basis. I'm not going "bowl skaters are cunts. Bottom line" here but honestly in my time I've seen so many old bowl skaters who just seem like jock assholes who have a chip on their shoulders because street stole their thunder in the early 90's. or they can't Ollie or both. Or maybe it's the "vert button" lol. I dunno man but it more than goes both ways and it's very lame.
And Stopher, if there's a"point" to skateboarding it's to do whatever the fuck you want. If you only want to skate a certain thing then that's what you should do.

Yep, it happens. I would say it's pretty limited. It's completely counter productive for people to push their agenda by bagging other points of view. My most hated is the old "there's ledges down the road if you wanna state street skate street"

We need a good inner city plaza in Melbourne. If crew had been a bit smarter and respected Lincoln more than that could have been it. That battle still isn't over, I've heard rumours about new plans.

Good discussion though. I haven't posted on here in ages

Where is this exactly anyway. Discussion aside this could be the best/most diverse/broadly catering park in oz yes? Or belcoesque in that regard

Yes, on par with Belco, with a better snake run.

Noble Park. Highest crime stats in Greater Dandenong. Many Ice enthusiasts.

Won't somebody please think of Sydney. - Helen Lovejoy

Good thread this.

Haven't actively tried to find this thread and follow it since.. A very long time ago.

Park is rad. Massive shame some do-gooder sticky nose bitch decided to be a cunt and call the cops on us, who swiftly ejected us. What a cop out.

If you look around the place is like some derelict caricature of a suburb, drug fucked idiots everywhere but people are worried about dudes skating the finished skatepark.

Makes you wonder.