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rento$
4 Nov 2014 · 4 Nov 2014 11:27 PM
OP
A few months ago I started this petition because skateboarding in Australia has a governing body that is run by roller skaters.
Last year they sent their roller skaters all over the world, yet could not even hold a national skateboard contest.

Skateboarders have the ability to run their own body yet roller skaters intercept the government money and don't allow skateboarders a voice with a democratic system or representatives on the board.

The situation sucks. Please sign my petition

https://www.change.org/p/simon-hollingsworth-australian-sports-commission-please-recognise-that-skateboarding-needs-its-own-national-governing-organization-independent-from-roller-skating-and-all-other-sports
Ron Swanson
4 Nov 2014 · 4 Nov 2014 11:32 PM
Done.
cuntm8noworries
5 Nov 2014 · 5 Nov 2014 1:44 AM
thats disgusting, signed big time baby
Insomniajosh
5 Nov 2014 · 5 Nov 2014 3:40 AM
Yep signed and shared. It is a fact that Skate Australia have been awarded another $680k for the current financial year, yet have sacked all the Skateboarding Australia staff (as far as I know) They have not updated their events or internets since August the 5th.

So will the money just get pissed up the wall without accountability? Will they blow huge sums with bullshit vague headers on a spreadsheet like "profile" and "administration"?

Keep up the good fight Renton and the crew that are working behind the scenes.
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Captain Stabbin
5 Nov 2014 · 5 Nov 2014 3:51 AM
Hello friends...

I actually got the skate aust guy (Dallas) to answer some questions so I thought i'd post here.....

1. Who currently works for SbA and what are their roles?

Jim Dandy - Skateboarding Hub Manager
Jim will be working under the leadership of Mr Martin Grose who has just commenced with Skate Australia in October, following the departure of Glenn Walker from SbA. Martin has a strong background in sports, having worked for the Australian Sports Commission, ACT Department of Sport & Rec, and Surfing Australia. A keen surfer, Martin also participated in Skateboarding in his youth (in between waves). Martin will bring important skills and leadership to help SbA rebuild and restructure into the future. Additional resources will be reintroduced to SbA in 2015 as our budget position improves following the recent challenges.

2. Given that Skate Australia is the recognised governing body for skateboarding (and is funded as such), what services/support do you provide to/for skateboarding?

Skate Australia receives Participation funding from the Australian Sports Commission. This funding is to be invested in initiatives to develop and the grow the sport of Skateboarding in Australia. This funding has supported the staffing resources needed to establish and run SbA's Skateboarding Hubs programs, running demo's and other events with local councils and school based programs. Skate Australia has delivered participation programs to in excess of 19,000 children and youth so far in 2014 through the delivery of these programs.

3. What formula/data does Skate Australia use to determine the proportional funding between it's governed sports.

In 2014 Skateboarding received the benefit of approximately 75% of our funding from the Australian Sports Commission. 62% direct investment in SbA, along with a further 13% indirect investment (through the provision of support services including accounting and administration support). Much of this funding was directly invested in Skateboarding activity through the provision of SbA programs. Skate Australia intends to maintain this level of investment in Skateboarding into the future.


4. In regard to Skate Australia's funding of skateboarding, it appears Skate Australia funds only one body - Sba (a company which is owned/run by Skate Australia). Is this true? and if so why does Skate Australia only fund a company it owns and no others.

SbA is a division of Skate Australia, operating under the same ABN.

5. Despite spending close to (a million?) over the past few years, SA/Sba has sent no skateboarders to compete internationally despite doing so for other sports. Why is this?

Skate Australia does not provide any direct financial support to its athletes travelling to compete internationally. International competitors travelling overseas 100% fund their own travel, accommodation, uniforms, entry fees. Skate Australia provides administration support only, to facilitate the smooth running of these tours.
The AM Titles series intended to facilitate the delivery of this pathway to the Skateboarding community in Australia, a key reason why Skate Australia would like to see this competition reintroduced at some stage in the not too distant future.

6. What are Sba's plans going forward in regard to the governance and/or service provision for skateboarding.

Skate Australia intends to continue to focus on the delivery of Skateboarding participation initiatives, through its Hubs and school based programs, and through partnerships with State government and local councils. We would also aim to see the relaunch of the Am Titles, possibly in a revised format, and hopefully sometime in 2015.

In relation to Governance, we are currently investigating a number of possible ways to provide the Skateboarding community a greater voice within the organisation. Seeking out the right individuals and organisations who have a desire to genuinely collaborate and work together to further the interests of Skateboarding nationally will be an important first step toward this goal.



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I have asked for a reconsideration on q3 as I don't think I got an answer there, will let you know

drew
5 Nov 2014 · 5 Nov 2014 3:54 AM
sorry, Captain got in the way...
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I actually got the skate aust guy (Dallas) to answer some questions so I thought i'd post here.....

1. Who currently works for SbA and what are their roles?

Jim Dandy - Skateboarding Hub Manager
Jim will be working under the leadership of Mr Martin Grose who has just commenced with Skate Australia in October, following the departure of Glenn Walker from SbA. Martin has a strong background in sports, having worked for the Australian Sports Commission, ACT Department of Sport & Rec, and Surfing Australia. A keen surfer, Martin also participated in Skateboarding in his youth (in between waves). Martin will bring important skills and leadership to help SbA rebuild and restructure into the future. Additional resources will be reintroduced to SbA in 2015 as our budget position improves following the recent challenges.

2. Given that Skate Australia is the recognised governing body for skateboarding (and is funded as such), what services/support do you provide to/for skateboarding?

Skate Australia receives Participation funding from the Australian Sports Commission. This funding is to be invested in initiatives to develop and the grow the sport of Skateboarding in Australia. This funding has supported the staffing resources needed to establish and run SbA's Skateboarding Hubs programs, running demo's and other events with local councils and school based programs. Skate Australia has delivered participation programs to in excess of 19,000 children and youth so far in 2014 through the delivery of these programs.

3. What formula/data does Skate Australia use to determine the proportional funding between it's governed sports.

In 2014 Skateboarding received the benefit of approximately 75% of our funding from the Australian Sports Commission. 62% direct investment in SbA, along with a further 13% indirect investment (through the provision of support services including accounting and administration support). Much of this funding was directly invested in Skateboarding activity through the provision of SbA programs. Skate Australia intends to maintain this level of investment in Skateboarding into the future.


4. In regard to Skate Australia's funding of skateboarding, it appears Skate Australia funds only one body - Sba (a company which is owned/run by Skate Australia). Is this true? and if so why does Skate Australia only fund a company it owns and no others.

SbA is a division of Skate Australia, operating under the same ABN.

5. Despite spending close to (a million?) over the past few years, SA/Sba has sent no skateboarders to compete internationally despite doing so for other sports. Why is this?

Skate Australia does not provide any direct financial support to its athletes travelling to compete internationally. International competitors travelling overseas 100% fund their own travel, accommodation, uniforms, entry fees. Skate Australia provides administration support only, to facilitate the smooth running of these tours.
The AM Titles series intended to facilitate the delivery of this pathway to the Skateboarding community in Australia, a key reason why Skate Australia would like to see this competition reintroduced at some stage in the not too distant future.

6. What are Sba's plans going forward in regard to the governance and/or service provision for skateboarding.

Skate Australia intends to continue to focus on the delivery of Skateboarding participation initiatives, through its Hubs and school based programs, and through partnerships with State government and local councils. We would also aim to see the relaunch of the Am Titles, possibly in a revised format, and hopefully sometime in 2015.

In relation to Governance, we are currently investigating a number of possible ways to provide the Skateboarding community a greater voice within the organisation. Seeking out the right individuals and organisations who have a desire to genuinely collaborate and work together to further the interests of Skateboarding nationally will be an important first step toward this goal.



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I have asked for a reconsideration on q3 as I don't think I got an answer there, will let you know
Insomniajosh
5 Nov 2014 · 5 Nov 2014 4:22 AM
Oh ok. Thanks for the clarification about employees, I haven't been keeping too up to date. Sorry Mr Dandy! Dallas is such a politician, never quite committing to a direct answer on specifics. It all sounds just fine until you look further and ask, what where and when?
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rento$
6 Nov 2014 · 6 Nov 2014 1:01 AM
Checking it on the http://abr.business.gov.au register shows that Skate Australia and Skateboard Australia both operate under different ABNs contrary to Dallas information.

SKATEBOARDING AUSTRALIA PTY. LTD. ABN: 79 114 758 922 SKATE AUSTRALIA INC ABN: 55 164 973 409

Thats a completely untrue piece of information the CEO has given us about the most basic part of companies structure.

Deceitful, dishonest. These people should be made to be held accountable.
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rento$
6 Nov 2014 · 6 Nov 2014 12:05 PM
RE: SKATE AUSTRALIA. Skate Australia have made a plea through Facebook to have people tell them what disciplines are in skateboarding. Strange that they get millions of dollars from the government for skateboarding but cannot even tell you the most basic fact about it.
krim
7 Nov 2014 · 7 Nov 2014 3:31 AM
* It was at this point Martin Moose realized he fucked up.

What an amazingly stupid appointment by SA and even dumber post by Mr Moose. Not only he obviously knows fuck all about skateboarding but like Josh said we're 5 months into this financial year and he's touching base via social media to do some market research. Fuckin hell...
red dawg
7 Nov 2014 · 7 Nov 2014 4:52 AM
RE: SKATE AUSTRALIA. This one is for you Krim. It is Friday.......
Insomniajosh
7 Nov 2014 · 7 Nov 2014 6:07 AM
RE: SKATE AUSTRALIA. Waaaah they deleted ALL my posts. I understand the ones with bad language....

It's not how social media works. You don't just put stuff out there and not respond when it comes back unfavourably. I'm not trying to be diplomatic or trying to negotiate an outcome. I'm just being a bit of a pitbull as I know a lot of the people involved are tied to organisations and have to mind what they say. They are still legitimate questions left unanswered.

Anyway I'm blocked now so I'll leave it up to y'all

Martin, freestyle is the hottest new trend you have omitted
thomasthomas
7 Nov 2014 · 7 Nov 2014 6:10 AM
I hope mega ramp gets a significant portion of the funding
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neeburn
7 Nov 2014 · 7 Nov 2014 7:08 AM
Yeah Josh, great work, and thanks for asking those questions so eloquently!

When there is editing going on, Social media is about as useful the twitter feed on Q&A on ABC (the show itself is not much use either).
Now is the time for serious lobbying, and sending people to the ASC in Canberra armed with written support from skateboarders.
Every skateboarder that considers themselves to be a skateboarder, needs to sign Renton's Petition.

Actual skateboarders have been working on this for over 3 years now.
That petition has been up for more than 3 months now, and compared to the number of likes on the SbA page, the support for the petition is pathetic.
No wonder the roller skaters are able to walk into Canberra and pick up as much skateboarding money as they want!

The time for sitting on the sidelines is over, for those of you, who dare to call yourselves skateboarders, but have still not signed the petition.....sign the Fucking petition now, and get everyone that you skate with to do the same.

Don't make pathetic excuses like "my internet is down", or "I don't know how to sign on"... ask any kid with a phone or ipad. Even kids that ride scooters know not to make pathetic excuses like that.

DO NOT skate with anyone who has not signed, because they are not actual skateboarders!

If you lot cant get another 1000 signatures within a week, then you should all keep yourselves properly lubed, and stay bent over!

https://www.change.org/p/simon-hollingsworth-australian-sports-commission-please-recognise-that-skateboarding-needs-its-own-national-governing-organization-independent-from-roller-skating-and-all-other-sports


Have a big whinge about this post after you sign, cause until you sign, no one here really gives a roller skater's arse about your opinion!
Insomniajosh
7 Nov 2014 · 7 Nov 2014 10:01 AM
I understand your point Bernie. I don't care so much about skateboarding in the Olympics or NSO's for skateboarding....I just don't like to see so much money pissed up the wall. I don't want these idiots blowing millions in our name.

There are some great advocates for the political side of things that have been battling for years on our behalf. Please get behind them and sign the petition, they will do the heavy lifting.

The whole thing just stinks. If it's a taxpayer funded, supposed "not for profit org" then why was the position not advertised? That is the kind of non transparent, shifty behaviour that people are so angry about.

The clown has put up a statement answering no questions raised.
Cheetos
7 Nov 2014 · 7 Nov 2014 8:43 PM
Yeah you would have to be stupid not to sign this, surely a measely 2500 signatures is feasible. Get this on the front page Drew?
tuaki
8 Nov 2014 · 8 Nov 2014 11:24 PM
Martin is having a very difficult time in that Facebook thread.
mean*beans
10 Nov 2014 · 10 Nov 2014 2:52 AM
agreed wholeheartedly with what was written! well said for the main part
Insomniajosh
10 Nov 2014 · 10 Nov 2014 12:37 PM
RE: SKATE AUSTRALIA. Oh man they are floundering pretty bad. I'm blocked from their internets but I can still read stuff, Renton is giving them a hiding! I'm ok with them deleting a post with a swear word, don't delete politely worded questions after asking for questions.

One very valid point is that skateboarders cannot become members, and vote on the board. This pasted from Renton's post regarding their constitution...

The CEO shall call for nominations for the President, Treasurer and three (3) Ordinary Directors eight (8) weeks before the date of the Annual Council Meeting. All Members shall be notified of the call for nominations

The "membership" forms they posted as proof that this was incorrect were just waivers for clinics. Either being deliberately misleading of just useless, neither being acceptable.

The only way you could be a voting member as a skateboarder was by being a paid up and qualified coach. I was for years and can only recall one occasion where board nominations were sought and I received an email. I applied but was rejected as I was not paid up, despite being a paid up member, and qualified coach for a few years continuously. I paid immediately but was still rejected on these grounds (it was one day late!). What about parents, skaters who have no interest in coaching, or skaters who don't have access to their very expensive coach training sessions? Why should they not be entitled to become voting members? That's not fair or how it is done in any other org or NSO.

So a taxpayer funded organisation that squanders millions of dollars does not let skateboarders to become members to vote and have a say in who is on their board? Skateboarders would make up an easy 90% of their "roller sports" (ugh) numbers, but we are excluded from input in the direction of the board? We are just cast off to the side under the less accountable and unregulated for profit PTY LTD company known as SBA.

So, two very valid questions that have severe ramifications to the legitimacy and legal entitlement for taxpayer funded money to a "taxpayer funded non profit organisation"

1. Have any of the qualified SBA coaches (the only eligible to vote members under their dodgy rules) been informed about nominations 8 weeks before their AGM? The onus is on SA to prove this. It is important that coaches let us know if they have or have not been, especially if they are tired of the current malarky.

2. Where and when was the advertisement for a position vacant for a general manager of SA advertised? I sure didn't see any. A non profit org not publicly advertising is a serious breach. My assumption (which could be incorrect) is that the Australian Sports Commission (Martin's previous employer) has put him in there to try and get their house in order and to see where all the millions have gone.

Anyway, a bit of late night reading. Feel free to copy/paste this onto their FB page and demand specific, evidence based answers and proof to these two questions.

It's a rort. Plain and simple. Millions of taxpayer funds blown with very little to show for it, whilst the disadvantaged, disabled and mentally ill are kicked in the guts by the current government. Imagine if SBA had given $10k grants to people that were already doing great stuff off their own bat, and would have been happy to be transparent and accountable for every cent? Jimmy in Hobart or Esther for example.
Insomniajosh
11 Nov 2014 · 11 Nov 2014 11:41 AM
Do what you like, but I suggest complaining about SA to ASC, not complaining about ASC, that would be counter productive.

I spoke with Martin today, if I'm going to go hard and take someone to task I will send them my phone number ect to have a private discussion. We talked at length about the decade of distrust and lack of goodwill, transparency and answering questions openly and directly. I ended the conversation feeling like he was trying his best in a shit situation, being completely unsuited to the task. Seemed genuine, but inadequate and struggling. I suggested making a tiny amount of the hundreds of thousands of dollars available for small grants. The clock is ticking and fuck all had been achieved this year despite throwing money after money at the organisation. Logical and achievable suggestion.

Nek minute he blocks Renton without answering any of his questions. Bad move!

So incompetent. The fact remains that skateboarders are unable to vote or participate in skate Australia decisions and the organisation dodges all accountability and responsibilities that a NSO and non profit org is bound by.
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tweak
11 Nov 2014 · 11 Nov 2014 12:28 PM
I'm no help at all, but I have to say this is a pretty similar situation to other boardsports I'm involved with... there's always some dodgy dickheads with no heart for the sport ruining it for everyone. Sad fucking times.
Insomniajosh
12 Nov 2014 · 12 Nov 2014 6:55 AM
RE: SKATE AUSTRALIA. Proof from the CEO of Skate Australia! In the last decade, even though they have sucked millions from the government due to boosting participation figures from skateboarders, that skateboarders have not been able to vote or have a say in the direction to be taken. They have deliberately excluded skateboarders from membership, and kept skateboarders separate under a PTY LTD company to avoid responsibility and accountability. Pissed off? Complain about Skate Australia to the Australian Sports commission. They are wanting to divert complaints to their own responsibility so they can sit on them and do nothing. Dodgy as! They are self destructing spectacularly! I noticed they have called for board nominations in relation to it being pointed out they are breaching their obligations.
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